Saturday, December 17, 2005
About Me
- Name: Muqtedar Khan
- Location: Afghanistan
Dr. Muqtedar Khan is Associate Professor in the Department of Political Science and International Relations at the University of Delaware. He is also the Driector of Islamic studies Program. He is a Non-resident Fellow at the Brookings Institution. He is the author of American Muslims: Bridging Faith and Freedom (Amana, 2002), Jihad for Jerusalem: Identity and Strategy in International Relations (Praeger, 2004).
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27 Comments:
“But unlike American Muslims they have very few civil society institutions. There are no Muslim organizations that fight for Civil rights and oppose discrimination”.
The reference to civil rights in the context of Afro-American Muslims, is striking.
In the struggle of Rights, the rest of the American Muslims, to my knowledge, are standing on the fringes as if the issue of Rights is alien to their faith.
Centuries of acrimonious division of denominations such as the Shia and Sunni etc is ingrained in the psyche and therefore one assumes that the alienation of the Nation of Islam, which is peculiarly an Afro-American phenomenon and has important theological diversions from the main stream Islam , is not even considered as part of the general Muslim community of America. This has to be addressed importantly and urgently by positive inter action by Muslims of America.- Rashid
Wonderful article about Belgian Muslims. As an aside (not quite related to the subject of the article), I leave with this note every opportunity I get.
The first business of Ijtihad should be to empower Muslim lands to shoot down any aircraft or spacecraft raiding their skies with the intent of bombing Muslim neighborhoods, Muslim schools, Muslim children's playgrounds, Muslim marketlaces, hospitals, public buildings and infrastructure no matter what real or imagined provocation. It is not the right but a duty of Muslims to defend their civilization from depredations who are supposedly peddling 'democracy', whatever that word now means.
Inayat I. Lalani MD
I am amazed how easily you dismiss the accomplishments of the North European welfare state. To place the alianation of the Belgian muslim on the welfare state seems rather shortsided to me. You will have to look at the different histories of immigrationn and consequently integration between the US and Northern Europe. Remember that most muslims in Belgium, as in Germany or the Netherlands, came as "guest workers." The assumption was from both the host society and the immigrant society that they would return after having accomplished their task/objective. This is a rather different history, and thus different form of integration, than the history of US muslims. Furthermore, the philosophy underlying the Northern European integration process differs significantly from the US assimilation myth. Long story short, in my opinion you have missed some important issues and thereby portray an unfair portrait of the European welfare state.
Aart
Aart, the article points to four reasons for the condition of Belgium Muslims:
(1) Nature of immigration, (2) wElafrism and its negative consequences (3) racism and zenophobia and (4) the lack of dynamic ijtihad among Muslims in Europe...
It's an interesting article, for sure. I am a Brussels resident, and to be frank, I never saw Muslim women begging on the streets. Most beggars are organized Eastern-European gangs and locals.
It is true that the Belgian government does a lot for Muslims. Immans are state-paid, and it's illegal to phrase anti-Muslim remarks in public. You will not be harassed if you phrase anti-Christian remarks, but you will be fined or put on trial when you admit to be anti-Muslim.
It's also true that there is a very generous social security system in Belgium, and we have a guaranteed income for those who don't work. Muslims are over-represented in that system.
But it's also true that most street crime in Brussels and in Antwerp (another large Belgian city) is perpetrated by Moroccan youth gangs. I myself was beaten once into hospital at night, once robbed of my cell phone by Moroccans, and a few time harassed by Algerians that were vandalizing a public railway toilet.
Those are not isolated incidents at all. Local women that walk lightly dressed in summer are often scorned as "whores" by Moroccan youth, and “Muslims” do most violent rape in Northern Europe.
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
I am also residing in the island of Mindanao, Philippines, 5 months per year. It's interesting to observe the difference between the position of Muslim in Mindanao on hand, and in Eurabia on the other. We in "Eurabia" can draw valuable lessons of the Philippine approach.
In the Philippines, Muslims are treated as reverse-dhimmies. They can practice their religion freely, and there is no overt form of discrimination.
But there is no question also that they can claim supremacy based on their religion. The Filipinos took it a little bit further. In Mindanao cities like Davao, Mosks were banned from the inner city and expelled to the outskirts, and Catholic churches and one cathedral are now in the center. The cathedral is in front of town hall.
In Belgium and the rest of "Eurabia" (like France), the situation is the reverse. By locals, Muslims are perceived as the darlings of the regime, and there is at least one Muslim group (the AEL), which predicts that we, the locals, will live under dhimmi rule in the future.
It has to do with our Christian-Jewish civilization which is driven by "guilt", while Muslims (at least in "Eurabia") are driven by “shame” and a conquest spirit.
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/what-are-islams-weak-points.html
Personally, and having read some parts of the Qu'ran, I am convinced that Islam is not just a simple religion, but also a theocratic discriminatory (against gays and women) sect, that should have their government-provided privileges been taken away. I mean in Belgium and in France which the worst affected areas of the Eurabia guilt complex.
Of course Muslims can cherish their beliefs but they also should be converted into a sort of reverse dhimmi-status like in the Philippines. It's not that unusual. In Turkey for instance, Christians have freedom of religion but they can't own churches and can't function as policemen or in a responsible government position. In Malaysia and Indonesia, there are similar laws as to mixed marriages (Muslim-Christian) were the children forcibly have to be educated in an Islam environment.
Europe is indeed a "Christian Club" as the Turkish leader Erdogan stated so eloquently. We are seculars that don't want a state mingled up with religion nor with irrational beliefs and sects.
We claim the right to publish "blasphemous" cartoons of the Prophet (PUB), because we believe in free speech and in no religion having any claims on the "truth" whatsoever.
We fought the Christian theocratic aspirations for centuries, and we succeeded to push them back where they belong: in people's private minds.
We don’t want any other religion, how noble it may be, to take its place, ever.
http://vhfc.blogspot.com/2005/12/we-are-all-danish_113420593124707223.html
http://vhfc.blogspot.com/2005/11/double-standards.html
Of course Muslims are welcome in "Eurabia", that we rather call "Europe". Discrimination based on personal beliefs is utterly wrong. But Muslims should be kept in a reverse dhimmi-status, just like Christians are in predominantly Muslim countries.
They should be discreet and not claim more than mere tolerance. As to discreetness, we saw how France's Muslim youth behaved during the torching riots. My bet is that if Christians did a similar thing in any Muslim country, they would be beheaded. We just throw money at them; it must be our "guilt" complex ;-)
And if some Muslims think they possess the only "true" religion, well, that belief is kindly granted. But in that case they don't belong in *our* Europe, and they are always free to leave. It's *our* country. With all respect to other countries and how they do it there, that’s how we do it *here*.
Live in Europe, and behave according to *our* rules. It maybe sounds hard, but that's how it is. And I hope you enjoyed our beloved "Manneken Pis" in Brussels, with his cute dinkie-winkie :-p - look at the photo, he had a scarf on! ;-)
VH, you make interesting observations, specially your comparison with Phillipines. I have visited that country and have some idea of how Muslims are treated there by the Chrsitian majority.
I find your posting particularly interesting since you more than once express the need to treat Muslims as less than equal citizens. Most observers of Muslim condition in Europe will argue that this si already the case.
You also take pride in the secularsim of Europe while simultaneously advocating religious discrimination by the state.
While Muslims have much to learn about becoming European citizens, Europe too must learn to practice the values that they valorize.
Dear Muqtedar,
I read your most interesting article in your weblog through news:be.politics where you were so kind as to post an "add" for it.
I am myself a Belgian resident and a medical doctor.
I read also the comment of Visual Hugo in this thread, which i found most enlightening on the position of the muslim both in Brussels-Belgium and in Mindanao-Philippines.
You notived quite a few differences between the muslims in Belgium and those who immigrated in the USA.
Could the difference between both muslim community not be also part of the different educational levels between them.
In the US immigrants are thoroughly screened by arrival, and most educated people are preferably allowed to stay rather than low of unskilled peoiple.
In Belgium (and the remainder of western Europe) due to our crumbling natality figures, we were economicalle speaking "forced" to let in a lot of unskilled people to do the "dirty jobs" the locals didn't no longer wish to perform. We got firdst people from southern Eurpope, afterwards from eastern Europe end from the Arab world and Turkey.
This difference is in my eyes the main reason why the attitude of the local people is less friendly towards the muslims in Belgium than in the US.
We got here nearly uneducated people who came mostly from the countryside of the Atlas in the Maghrib or from Anatolia in Turkey, while you got the educated muslims from everywhere in the Umma.
Our muslims were suddenly thrown from their mostly primitive agrarian regions into the industrialized world of West-European cities. They had much bigger integration problems than the educated. They lack their own intellectuals here, and have the greatest problems in educated their children in our society for this reason.Too few own people can counsel them. That's one of the reasons why youth-criminality is much more important in young Maghrib people than in the remainder of the Belgian youth.
This induced a (bad!) reflex of rejection by the Belgians against the muslims who live here .
In the United States Islâm religion and way of live is not a threat.
In Europe, this neigbouring culture has challenged us since the islâm conquest of the Middle East and North Africa in the 8th century. There were our concurrents, our ennemies since always.
Now that, thank say the emergence of Human Rights and the secularization of our societies in Europe, we could live together in peace, many muslims turn their ears to more radical imams and think rather in terms of jihâd than in terms of peacefully living together with the Belgians. They turn to mentalities of the Middle-age(insofar they ever abandoned them), and stay challenging us.
They consider our tolerance as weakness and hope to increase their number so that they get finally the majoritiy here . Of course they have a long way to go before that, but it is not irrealistic to think they will achieve this goal. Their dream will be to have a kind of "djumhurria al muhtahida al baljiq" where the constitution and civil and penal codes will be replaced by the Shari'a.
I fear, that, due to the lack of presence of their own educated people, they will create new own leaders who will be much more radical-islamists than the one they had at home.
Therefore a later emergence of major troubles including a civil war is not unthinkable in Western Europe's future.
May this never become true.
Dr. Khan,
An eloquent article, and I do not have the time to respond to all aspects. But using the Muslim woman who was begging as a backdrop, you spring-boarded to many other issues.
But I must wonder regarding this woman, where is her father or her husband, a mahram relative to provide her care? Why is she cast adrift from her family moorings?
I also believe the Ummah is suffering the fruits of years of neglect in educating their populace for a changing economic landscape and the globalization of markets. The tap root of Islam has for years neither nourished its own with educational opportunities, especially with regard to its women.
The fruit of the societal decay of the Ummah is to be found in the water which has flowed from the tap root. The lack of foresight in the last century, of the Ummah to raise the educational bar is casting a shadow on your children of the 21st century.
Islamic scholars must take that long hard look at these issues remembering that the finger that points out at others is less than the number of fingers that point back at the accuser.
I did not find your article accusatory, but the number of articles that bring accusation against the West far outweigh the balance of opinion which you express.
Tammy, there is no excuse for the pathetic condition of education in the Muslim World. Most countries have now been independent for nearly half a century but they still have not got their act together on education. If only they spent more on education and less on useless defense projects...
Dr. Khan,
Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy has written specifically about the Pakistani educational system in several articles. I believe he had one in Foreign Affairs last year.
Anyway, maybe about three years ago he sent me an article he was working on for print journalism and there was a statistic that has remained in my mind. Only one in nine females in Pakistan even enter the ninth grade.
Now not to pick on Pakistan, India has one of the highest illiteracy rates of women in the world. But studies have shown again and again that family health, home economy and life in general, is better for children with educated mothers.
I also support the work of a group of American women to bring a micro-loan economy to poorer women of the world to allow them a cottage-based industry. There are women specifically targeting Afghanistan to help these women.
How sad, that Taliban members recently shot a male teacher for instructing little girls.
I wish your scholarly community well in seeking solutions. Being behind on the curve does not help. The reflection of needed change will not be seen until the third generation. That is how these things play out, in my mind.
I find your posting particularly interesting since you more than once express the need to treat Muslims as less than equal citizens. Most observers of Muslim condition in Europe will argue that this si already the case.
Oh yeah? That means nothing compared to the treatment of Christians in Muslim countries.
I don't trust Muslims anymore. As long as they are obviously a minority, like in the US, their spokespersons use soft words. Like you, Dr. Khan. Then, when they gain importance through their higher natality (in Belgium, the government hands out child allowances which are so generous that muslim families with 5 kids can live from them) they start to impose their rules.
You don't fool me Mr. Khan. I just read of "Sir" Iqbal Sacranies remarks about gays in the UK. Personally, I hold (christian) conservative views on homosexuality, gay marriage and gay adoption, but you ill NEVER hear me use the derogatory phrasing used by this British Muslim MP. For any gay person living in the UK, Sacranies words were a foreboding of the cruel repression that awaits them when Muslims will have the upper hand. Sacranie showed his true face.
Do in your backward countries what you want, but if you Muslims infringe on our European liberties, if you dare to challenge our magnificent culture, then be prepared to meet Europeans who WILL FIGHT FOR THEIR VALUES!!!
Michael, I take your threats seriously and worry for the Muslims in Belgium and other European states. the magnificent culture of Europe includes the holocaust, the inquisition and the msot recent genocide of Muslims in Bosnia.
Dr. Khan: the magnificent culture of Europe includes the holocaust, the inquisition and the msot recent genocide of Muslims in Bosnia.
I would rather say that European civilization indeed spawned the sickness of Nazism, but that the good that is inherently ingrained in our culture was able to defeat it and remove this cancer. It is however true that western Europeans were unable to do this themselves.
Likewise, the Inquisition was one of those evils spawned by OUR religion, as was intolerance not only towards other teachings than the Catholic ones, but also against scientists. I especially recall here the tragic fate of Giordano Bruno, who was burned alive by the Catholic Church for saying that the universe was infinite and that there are millions of other stars and planets like the sun and the earth. But here too, the Church ultimately had to yield to scientific research.
So we have now had the cases of both our culture and our religion who were able to neutralize its demons. It is clear that Islam is NOT able to neutralize is demons, to the contrary.
And finally, your argument about the genocide against Bosnian Muslims. Let me make it clear that I denounce in the strongest possible terms the horrible crimes committed against Bosnian Muslims by Serb troops, especially at Srebrenica. Maybe you will find it interesting to note that I think it's a good thing that Milosevic is in prison. Note, Dr. Khan, that that is only so because THE WEST, and especially the US, took care of that.
However, while I strongly condemn the Serbian atrocities, it might be useful to have a look at what made Serbs do it. Warning, extremely graphic images of crimes against humanity committed by Mujahideen.
Michael, I really apprecite your ability to recognize historical facts, it makes for a good and fruitful dialogue.
It took a bloody war and over two decades to defeat the Nazis and over 300 hundred years to reform Christianity and the process is still ongoing with many issues still hotly debated.
The struggle between radicals and moderates/reformists in the Islamic civilization has just begun
The struggle between radicals and moderates/reformists in the Islamic civilization has just begun.
I'm sorry Dr. Khan but I find it hard to believe that. What I do know is that when in 2004 Paul Johnson had his head cut off in Saudi Arabia and a Muslim organization in New Jersaey organized a rally against this despicable act, 24 people showed up... out of an estimated total of 200,000 New Jersey Muslims.
When Nawal Kawash organized a National rally in 2005 with as theme that Islam is not about terrorism, there were not even 50 people... out of an estimated 7 million Muslims in the States.
On the other hand Louis Farrakhan is able to organize a Million March on Washington.
Look at a map of the world Dr. Khan and tell me which one is the recurrent warring party in all the conflicts from Trinidad over Europe, Central Africa, the Middle East, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia and what not. It is Muslims. And it's getting worse. it starts with petards in Bangladesh in summer 2005 and sx motnhs later they ar already murdering people. For what Dr. Khan? Because the Bangladeshi government has sent ten divisions to support the US in Iraq?
In my own country Belgium, Dr. Khan, a football player, Nizar Trabelsi, has been convicted to jail for plotting a terrorist attack on an Air Force Base where the US has stored tactical nukes. A certain Khalid Bouloudo, who was udner trial lately with 12 other terrorists, was involved in the Madrid bombings.
We see NOTHING, Dr. Khan, of a "struggle" between reformers and moderates in the Islamic world. We only seem to see consent of that mysterious "Muslim majority" when Muslim extremists commit terrorist attacks.
I suppose there are Muslims who are ashamed of what happens in the name of Islam. But they are powerless and very few.
Until we see a significant change in global Muslim attitudes, we will arm ourselves and prepare for conflict. And believe me Dr. Khan, don't be fooled by the apparent weakness of Europeans. That impression is reinforced by our media, who is extremely leftist and alway son the side of the oppressors.
In reality, more than enough Euopeans are willing to stand up and fight for their values. And Europeans indeed know a thing or two about fighting.
Nearly every Muslim country, including Iran and Syria are fully engaged in the struggle against Al Qaeda and other radicals groups such as Hizb-ut-Tahreer. Every Western government has acknowledged the help Muslim countries provide in the war on terror. Some of the actual battles that Saudi Arabian security have fought have made it to the media. Also nearly every major scholar has denounced radicalism... It is a pity that you chose to score rhetorical points againt Islam and Muslims without recognizing their work.
Nearly every Muslim country, including Iran and Syria are fully engaged in the struggle against Al Qaeda and other radicals groups such as Hizb-ut-Tahreer.
Jesus Christ Dr. Khan, you gotta be kidding me. Iran???? You mean the same Iran whose President has said that Israël should be wiped off the map???? Am I choosing to score rhetorically again? Or are you suggesting that if Iran has the intention to nuke Israël back to the Stone Age BUT it hunts down al-Qaeda agents, the West would somehow call it quits?
Syria???? The Syria whose government allows that al-Qaeda infiltrants cross the border with Iraq? Dr. Khan, Muriel Degauque, the first native western female suicide bomber, a compatriot of mine (!) chose to go to Iraq to blow herself up near a US convoy. The last phone call she made to her parents was from... Damascus!
And Saudi Arabia? It is true that quite a lot of Saudi police have died in shootouts with al-Qaeda. But is this not for show or to buy goodwill in the West? What I DO know is that KSA continues to fund madrassas where extremists are bred. You call KSA, Syria and Iran "allies" in the fight against al-Qaeda????
If you want to accuse me of scoring rhetorically, go ahead Dr. Khan.
But I will believe that mythical grand majority of moderate muslims exists if I see concrete results. So far, zilch. Nada. Niks niemendalle.
Oh yeah, and I just read that iran is going to organize a conference on the Holocaust.
Read: they are going to stage a summit to officially determine that either it is a myth, or that the Nazis only gassed 60, or 600, or 6,000 Jews but certainly not 6,000,000.
The event is going to be co-sponsored by the Organization of the Islamic Conference. I guess that's another sign the Islamic World is reforming?
And you wonder Dr. Khan, why people all across the globe are turning hostile towards Muslims. Good Lord.
"Nearly every Muslim country, including Iran and Syria are fully engaged in the struggle against Al Qaeda and other radicals groups such as Hizb-ut-Tahreer."
And this is your response:
"Jesus Christ Dr. Khan, you gotta be kidding me. Iran???? You mean the same Iran whose President has said that Israël should be wiped off the map????"
I never said anything about Israel. Hizb is banned in Syria and has no footing in Iran. Syria has been one of the Arab countries that has tortured Al Qaeda related people for the US. Iran has handed over many Al Qaeda prisoners to the US. None of the Muslim countries wish to see the radical groups to grow.
As far as the world turning agaisnt Muslims, that is laughable since nearly 25% of the World is Muslim!
It is anti-Americanism which is growing not anti-Muslimism. The entire world is turning against the US, what does that have to say about Western civ.
Last figures I saw showed 36 percent Christian and 18 percent Muslim on world demographics.
Of course, then we have the rather dubious choice of President Ahmadinejad of his friend Alireza Mo'ayeri for an appointment as ambassador and permanent representative to the U.N. HQ in Geneva on 21 January. He has quite the impressive dossier.
Of course, I think the U.N. is a snakepit of anti-American sentiment, so no surprise there.
Seeing people begging for money makes me sick, especially when they claim to trust the almighty creator. I've been homeless for a year and haven't spent or accepted a single penny since 2004, so I know most poor people don't need money. You might be surprised that most poor people I know make as much money telling sad stories as everyone else does working, but they spend it all on sex, drugs, and gambling as quickly as they can; they only dress poor and act insane so people will give them more money. You should have told that woman laying on the ground like a dog to stop worshipping money and start worshipping Allah.
Mister Khan,
I have a very hard time trusting your double standards here. Trust me on this: When that asteroid, super-vulcano or anti-matter hits us, it's not gonna pick the country where the infidels or gay people live, it will take us all down at the same time. Muslims don't seem to get that. They think they're more special than others.
We are WAY beyond religion, as a species. You, on the other hand, are still dwelling in it like it is of any serious value. We don't care about Allah, we don't care about God, we don't care about pictures in newspapers. We care about humanity, life and survival of this planet as ONE. We don't need religion to be VERY happy with our lives. Believe me; We really are happy without chruches. I highly recommend you read this:
http://jult.net/dub/entry.php?id=252
You'd be surprised how many smart Europeans think like that.
Islam or Christianity did not create the internet, science did. Your mobile phone will not be charged by Mohammed, it will be charged using electricity. Any religion is pointless if you know the state our planet is in right now. And if you belief in your nonsense that strongly you are wasting your time away with things we have put behind us a LONG time ago.
Most muslims I know are jealous of free people. That's why so many 'believers' are still behaving like animals; their prophet has got them by the balls (or clitoris, even). Either they (you, Muslims) fight against ALL people with a brain (and lose the fight for survival as a species on this rock) or they stop bothering that needle in the haystack they think they discovered with Denmark. That uproar is just pathetic!
Do you really think ANY of us will take your side in this ridiculously retarded behaviour? ALL Europeans will stand up for their freedom of speech in this matter. We've not come such a long way to let us be taken back down the ladder a few thousand years by brainwashed fools. It is for that reason I will keep a mocking Portrait of the Prophet Muhammad up on my website, in solidarity with those who appreciate the freedom to express themselves as they damn well please. You really think too highly of yourselves, sir, you still think you're so great with your silly fairytales from the dark ages? Get a clue.
Oh and you are dead-wrong about the US. You hope in your dreams that people are turning against freedoms and the US, well, think again!
Any idea how fast the movie- and tv-industry is growing worldwide. with its biggest source being FREE American, Canadian and European product? We are not watching islam movies are we? We are not watching more and more religious crap on TV, are we? We never will be. We are growing as a species, and this means we will turn towards those who can think, like Michelle here:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004448.htm
Odd, I thought the Arab European league defended Muslim rights & anti-discrimination purposes.
On top of that there is the state run 'centre for equal chances & combating Racisme'. As you have noticed that they have a good political representation in parliament; doesnt it just happen to fall on you that perhaps those people defend their rights supported by their parties?
Additionally I might recommend you to dig deeper into the political spectre and the etnical elements regarding to the Muslim community's dependancy on the State.
Do you know what the basis of Muslim unemployment is: Low level of education in a high education employment market, beside State compensation.
Xenofobia is a bad term as it seems that their misfortune started by it and all comes from it. It only shows your misunderstandment of the systems that work in our society.
Muslims have a problem that sociologists call 'Negative labelling'; and its involved into a system of self fullfilling prophecies which results in a rejection by both sides.
Low level education + high stake in criminality + low level of social control not suited for out Western society leads to: less employment chances (on a pre-emptive rational basis); brings down those Muslims who have integrated and perform well. This is seen as 'discrimination & racism'. Supported by local politics; and Middle Eastern import of Imams leads to radicalisation. Which in itself leads to more rejection.
Who doesnt want to break down the welfare element? The Socialists and ecologists...those parties who are the Muslim community's strongest defenders. Unlike the party Vlaams Belang you will probably see as 'xenophobic'.
I'm not even going to add the elements that every state can only 'house' a limited number of people; we're not even discussing the cultural conflicts arising; the Flemish quest for independance which also plays a vital role and many other elements.
A last and final element that I want to tell you. Those muslim beggars are almost solely found in the Rue neuve; Bv Adolphe Max & Anspach. Do they beg out of poverty? Yes and No.
They are forced to beg not because they cant enjoy welfare and nor because the welfare system gives out underrated support. It is because they're are being pimped; at the end of the day they have to give all of their money to their pimp (husband or a slave-owner). It is the same as we have with Eastern Europeans begging on the Grand Place during the Summer. They are not victims of poverty but of crime.
Selamu Aleikum Mr.Khan,
Those apperantly looking muslim ladies that you saw in the streets are actually mainly gipsies from eastern europe. They use the vail, knowing that many muslims would feel bad seeing a vailed woman begging for money, and would thus give some money. Trust me, these gibsies are kind of natural born actors. It is their "proffession" to beg. Therefore, there is no reason for you to be disappointed about anything here. There is indeed vast discrimination agaist muslim, and official unemployment rates are much higher among muslims due to discrimination, but also due to the fact that muslims are less educated. Thirdly, in brussels to find a job most of the time they are required to be bilingual (i.e. speak fluently in both french and flamish); most muslims only speak french (for known reasons...). A large number of those who are unemployed, work in black, in the lower sector jobs, such as catering, cleaning, construction etc.
Note in the picture, the lady has bought a pizza from pizza hut. From the size of the carton, the minimum cost to buy that size is a 7 eur margharita . With 7 eur, she could have bought a couple of nice big halal durums, one for her and one for her daughter. As you can see, if a persons who is dying for food would not spend the money in buying pizzas and drinking alcoohol. This is to inform you once again, that this is the notorious life style of many gipsies. Of course not all of them are like that, some of them sell flowers around the streets, some of them play the violin in the metro, others work etc.
Yo Muqtedar Khan Why you so dark skinned? Oh yeah I know why you're a fucking indian You ain't a real muslim. Real muslims are Arabs who are light skinned tall warriors Not some short ugly ass darkskinned south indian
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